got some press:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/02/adobe-engages-apple-in-passive-aggressive-warfare-with-iphones/

Alessandro

One of the cool features is a desktop distribution manager that provides really deep analytics.

We have a little video here…
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/services/distribution/

Yes. They are applications that use the HTTP protocol for communication but since they do not use HTML or any other web standard they are not strictly web sites. Are FTP sites, torrent trackers, Skype or instant messaging networks part of the web? They are all “services delivered through Internet” too. Most of them even use HTTP to some degree. But no, they’re not are they?

Thus my point – Flash is cute and all but it’s not the web so it’s unreasonable to expect everyone to fall in line with the Adobe way just because they feel like calling it the web. There’s a reason exactly zero browsers have built-in Flash support. It’s an add-on, an extra. Something that works alongside the web.

I’ll also point out that you answered your own question: “There is a big difference between a web site and a web application.”

“Or just because we are talking about JavaScript or CSS we don’t have to apply the same measure?”

This is a separate issue but I guess I can reply to it anyway. Yes, there are some issues with the way clients implement standards. So? Should we throw away standards because the Microsofts of the world are incapable of implementing them properly? I don’t think so.

“I agree some of the ads are very annoying. But, how in the world is the fault of Flash for that?”

It isn’t, and I didn’t say it was. I simply mentioned that annoying ads, games and video are what the majority of Flash apps are used for today, and I personally can live without most of it.

“And many times we tend to speak with the heart and not with the head (projecting our wishes and not using facts and logic)
Disclaimer: I work for Adobe.”

I don’t work for Adobe so I think it’s clear which of us has an objective, logical view of the situation. I develop tons of sites and apps and I use technologies that do not tie my clients to single vendors. That’s a fact and that’s logical. No heart required.

Can’t the flash player for the iphone just use apple’s own video/audio rendering facilities so that steve feels comfortable that he controls the horizonta/vertical ?

JUST GIVE US A SANE PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE FOR DESIGNERS AND SANE ANIMATION FACILITY!…
(ps: everybody in the house say actionscript !!!)

YOU APPLE … YOU YOUUUU !!!

I think defining something that exists only through the standards leaves a lot outside. And it happens that many people consume what you leave outside of the Web (or what you define as Web).

So, Hulu.com, Eurosport.yahoo.com, MLB.com are all using Flash to deliver their services and conduct their business. At the same time millions of people use their services. Are you telling me that all these services delivered through Internet are not part of the Web? Or that the Web will be a better place without them?

Another thing, if you want to stick to standards so closely what about JavaScript and CSS implementations in all the browsers. All the hacks needed in order to have the same look and behavior (especially for heavy AJAX sites) across different browsers/versions to what standards are complying? Or what about Google plug-in for IE needed if you want to run Google Wave? Or just because we are talking about JavaScript or CSS we don’t have to apply the same measure?

I agree some of the ads are very annoying. But, how in the world is the fault of Flash for that? When someone gets killed with a knife I didn’t hear anyone blaming the knife manufacturer. It seems Canvas will do tomorrow some of the things Flash already does today. How much time do you think it will pass until you’ll see annoying ads implemented with Canvas aka Open Source and Standard technologies? Will you blame Canvas for that? They will be less annoying because they are using Canvas?

Flash is so much more than “enable lots of fun things”. Big and small companies are using Flash to build applications delivered on the Web. Here are some examples: Sumopaint.com, Mindomo.com, FedEx, Raiffeisen Bank etc. There is a big difference between a web site and a web application. And Flash is amazing in terms of productivity and features for building applications.

I don’t want to annoy you or anything, I just feel that sometimes many people tend to use different measures to talk about things from the same category. And many times we tend to speak with the heart and not with the head (projecting our wishes and not using facts and logic)

Disclaimer: I work for Adobe.

Sorry, I’m not up with my marketing speak I guess

A quick bit of Javascript could offer iPhone users a link to the native app instead of initiating a futile attempt to embed it. I would much prefer this as I could choose which apps I want to bother with and would be spared the crap the developers couldn’t be bothered to submit to the AppStore, nicely separating the wheat from the chaff.

RE AdBlock, I was just using that as an example of a plugin that many people use yet most wouldn’t consider the web incomplete without. Ditto for Silverlight or other superfluous technologies.

I won’t get into my views on advertising here as that’s not within the scope of the article but suffice to say that I’d have a hard time shedding a tear if Big Media went out of business.